‘I had to pay my neighbour’s 4-year-old son to accompany me’, says former judge in Afghanistan

We spoke to Najla Ayoubi, an Afghan lawyer, former judge and women’s rights advocate who was ultimately forced to flee the country in 2015, and Kate Clark, a former correspondent who now works as an analyst in Kabul. She was evacuated yesterday.

We started by asking Ms Ayoubi whether it’s possible that the Taliban has changed this time.