Tomorrow marks 75 since the nation celebrated VE day – the end of fighting against Nazi Germany in Europe.
The Archbishop of Canterbury is to broadcast reflections on the hope which blossomed then after years of despair – and more than 70 million deaths worldwide.
Earlier, Cathy Newman spoke to him about that, the lessons we can draw for the present battle with coronavirus, and his unseen work as a chaplain ministering to the sick and dying at London’s St Thomas’ hospital.
She began by asking him how he made sense of the scale of suffering 75 years ago, and today.