‘This is opportunity to create more just and better world’ – writer Rutger Bregman on coronavirus aftermath

The Dutch writer Rutger Bregman is known for shaking up social norms. Last year, he attracted global attention at the World Economic Forum in Davos when he turned on his wealthy audience and called out those who avoid paying taxes.

He has also argued for a universal basic income. His latest work – Humankind – offers a roadmap for how we might organise society differently, based on the idea that deep down most people are actually decent human beings.

Krishnan Guru-Murthy spoke to him earlier and asked how that premise has played out during the coronavirus lockdown.